was supposed to come out of the defense department on sequester and taken them to other places in the pentagon where fat could be cut. stand up and be counted. put solutions on the table and we can cut spending and preserve defense capability. >>gretchen: there were governors on the talk shows yesterday, bipartisan support for what you're saying from governor o'malley and virginia's governor mcdonnell. let me ask you what you think the world reaction is to watching the united states, the biggest superpower in the world, talking so drastically about cuts to the pentagon and the military? >> the world sees yet another signal that america already has and will have to pull back from its obligations. enemies see weakness. allies see the potential for jumping back and forth on obligations to allies. i think they see equivocation, weakness and they wonder where america is going to be in its role in the world. that foments more violence which makes defense more necessary. >>gretchen: let's see what happens. deadline coming up this friday. coming up, he fought the president on unions and won. now gover